“It’s ok to have beliefs, as long as you don’t believe them — as long as you know they’re beliefs, as long as you’re not bound, imprisoned, chained by them. Then seeing is seeing, and listening is listening, even when it’s silent. There’s the flow of receiving and giving. There’s no one in the way. Then there’s effortless being, and aliveness.” Recorded 11/28/2011 in San Francisco.