“Thought is very much a part of the creative force. But how did it get out of control, so to speak? How did it go crazy? Why does it think it’s running the show? When you have a taste of energy, of awareness, of presence, then you can become free of the controlling, dominating mind. You can really rest in aliveness right now. You can be relieved of the burden of the struggle.” Recorded 5/23/2011 in San Francisco.